Started this thread after reading the shosslers thread
As the majority of us have a tank that has expanded and in some cases leaking, fuel being the number one suspect...How do we get the message across to the goverment, fuel companies, tank manufactures etc that something needs to be done!!
We need to find out if other makes and models are suffering the same problem and have a central website that people refer to. I don't know if anything like this exists but i ask members of this forum to go to other forums and find out if other makes are suffering with the problem.
Lets get something done about it and make this the first step if it is warranted.
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We've discussed this time and time again and I and others have suggested all of the things you have raised here.paddyz1 wrote:Started this thread after reading the shosslers thread
As the majority of us have a tank that has expanded and in some cases leaking, fuel being the number one suspect...How do we get the message across to the goverment, fuel companies, tank manufactures etc that something needs to be done!!
We need to find out if other makes and models are suffering the same problem and have a central website that people refer to. I don't know if anything like this exists but i ask members of this forum to go to other forums and find out if other makes are suffering with the problem.
Lets get something done about it and make this the first step if it is warranted.
Maybe this time people will push forward?
We already know many of the other makes that suffer similar issues - I found a website that listed many of them (http://deformedfueltanks.com/) and I tried to register Ridersite as a forum with interest (that website requested such forums to register with them). I never got a response - I think maybe the website is no longer being maintained - probably because they have tried to get things going but there's not the strength of feeling to do anything.
More recently I have had an idea that might have more success.
I've supported the Fair Fuel Campaign http://www.fairfueluk.com/ that fights price rises on fuel.
I think it's time to press them to take a broader view on what is and isn't fair with fuel rather than just price.
We need to get the motorcycling public to join them to support their existing aims and also to get them (an already established campaigning group) to press for fuel stations to be required to:
1) Label all pumps dispensing fuel to show its ethanol content.
2) Supply on at least one pump per filling station, ethanol free fuel
3) There to be no price premium for this ethanol-free fuel compared to similar octane fuel that has an ethanol content.
Maybe it's now time to start talking to Fair Fuel?
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..... and most classic vehicles - the water separation properties lead to steel tanks rotting, it kills hoses, seals and gaskets in the fuel system ....... it's hardly something for just a few bikes.lazarus wrote:I would have thought it an obligation on the bike manufacturer to provide a tank that will safely hold any fuel the bike might be expected to use. Why should there be special fuel provisions for just Aprilia, Ducati and a few Triumphs?
The introduction of this questionable additive to fuels should not have been permitted if it were likely to cause damage to so many vehicles on the road.
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I agree with Andy, and have been fairly vociferous on this topic on a number of forums - not just here. Just about every vehicle I own (with the exception of my VW Transporter T4 van) is affected by this ethanol shite the government has introduced by the back door.
My Aprilia's tank is expanding (as are all such tanks which have come into contact with ethanol) and I have doubts about the long-term viability of the fuel hose.
My VFR750's tank is rusting from the inside and I'm budgeting to replace all the fuel hoses this year. What I don't know is how badly and how quickly ethanol will attack the carburettors and jets. All I know is it will. I've also decided to buy an old spare tank and have sent it to Hartlepool Radiators to be sealed using their Re-Nu process. This is not cheap.
My 1980 Lancia Beta is also badly affected, and the tank has already started to show signs of accelerated rusting; the fuel filter gummed itself up last year with rust from the tank. That tank has also been given the Re-Nu treatment as it's the only way I can see the vehicle remaining on the road. I'm also investigating replacing the steel portion of the fuel line with stainless steel, and the rubber hose with ethanol-resistant hose (as with the VFR).
Basically ethanol in fuel is causing me a major headache, and it's all down to the government caving in to the EU and the Green lobby by legislating that ethanol can and must be added to fuel. What really boils my piss is that this is possibly the least 'Green' of any initiative ever conceived. It's simply a scheme whereby already rich landowners can get even richer by claiming subsidies for growing bio-fuel when the land should be used for growing food. It's a fucking disgrace.
My Aprilia's tank is expanding (as are all such tanks which have come into contact with ethanol) and I have doubts about the long-term viability of the fuel hose.
My VFR750's tank is rusting from the inside and I'm budgeting to replace all the fuel hoses this year. What I don't know is how badly and how quickly ethanol will attack the carburettors and jets. All I know is it will. I've also decided to buy an old spare tank and have sent it to Hartlepool Radiators to be sealed using their Re-Nu process. This is not cheap.
My 1980 Lancia Beta is also badly affected, and the tank has already started to show signs of accelerated rusting; the fuel filter gummed itself up last year with rust from the tank. That tank has also been given the Re-Nu treatment as it's the only way I can see the vehicle remaining on the road. I'm also investigating replacing the steel portion of the fuel line with stainless steel, and the rubber hose with ethanol-resistant hose (as with the VFR).
Basically ethanol in fuel is causing me a major headache, and it's all down to the government caving in to the EU and the Green lobby by legislating that ethanol can and must be added to fuel. What really boils my piss is that this is possibly the least 'Green' of any initiative ever conceived. It's simply a scheme whereby already rich landowners can get even richer by claiming subsidies for growing bio-fuel when the land should be used for growing food. It's a fucking disgrace.
I recently read somewhere that it is energy negative due to the energy required to produce it!mangocrazy wrote: . What really boils my piss is that this is possibly the least 'Green' of any initiative ever conceived.
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Yes I'd read that, as well, but forgot to include it in my rant. I blame the red mist...D-Rider wrote:I recently read somewhere that it is energy negative due to the energy required to produce it!mangocrazy wrote: . What really boils my piss is that this is possibly the least 'Green' of any initiative ever conceived.
Yorkshire MAG have started an Ethanol campaign, so if I could draw your attention to the following
http://www.yorkshire-mag.co.uk/ethanol.html
I think bikergran contacted me regards the tank issue and the fact we don't "cover it" within the text.
You will note that the text and MP's letter is more focused towards the car, it is deliberate.
Moose
http://www.yorkshire-mag.co.uk/ethanol.html
I think bikergran contacted me regards the tank issue and the fact we don't "cover it" within the text.
You will note that the text and MP's letter is more focused towards the car, it is deliberate.
Moose
I seem to remember hearing recently that the introduction of E10 has gone into reverse and the authorities are beginning to recognise the downside of ethanol.
That said, we still need to make sure that they understand that we are really unhappy about ethanol and that even E5 is causing damage. We need all pumps to be marked showing ethanol content and a requirement that all garages supply E0 alongside other blends.
That said, we still need to make sure that they understand that we are really unhappy about ethanol and that even E5 is causing damage. We need all pumps to be marked showing ethanol content and a requirement that all garages supply E0 alongside other blends.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19982214D-Rider wrote:I seem to remember hearing recently that the introduction of E10 has gone into reverse and the authorities are beginning to recognise the downside of ethanol.
And it seems we've been shafted by agrobusiness for longer than I realised - I'm guessing this photo is 1930's
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1930s ...... they were using the stuff long before that Mart:
That said, more recent vehicles (other than those produced most recently) were never designed to run on the stuff and it's causing significant damage
According to Ford spokeswoman Kristen Kinley, Henry Ford's first four-wheel
engine-powered vehicle, the quadracycle, ran strictly on ethanol in 1896.
When it was released in 1908, the Model T could run on either gasoline or
ethanol or a combination thereof. As the market embraced petroleum, Ford
stopped producing vehicles that could run on either fuel and focused on
gasoline engines. But the first few years of Model Ts could run on either
fuel.
That said, more recent vehicles (other than those produced most recently) were never designed to run on the stuff and it's causing significant damage
“Scientists investigate that which already is. Engineers create that which has never been.”
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And, I believe, the steam cars - White, Stanley - of that era were alcohol--fired. Vaguely remember reading, years ago, that Standard Oil, the ancestor of Esso, bought out one of those steam car manufacturers, & promptly shut them downD-Rider wrote:1930s ...... they were using the stuff long before that Mart:According to Ford spokeswoman Kristen Kinley, Henry Ford's first four-wheel
engine-powered vehicle, the quadracycle, ran strictly on ethanol in 1896.
When it was released in 1908, the Model T could run on either gasoline or
ethanol or a combination thereof. As the market embraced petroleum, Ford
stopped producing vehicles that could run on either fuel and focused on
gasoline engines. But the first few years of Model Ts could run on either
fuel.
That said, more recent vehicles (other than those produced most recently) were never designed to run on the stuff and it's causing significant damage
It flies sideways through time
It's an electric line
To your zodiac sign
I've got a Black and Silver Machine!
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To your zodiac sign
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