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scorpio24v · #31 Post by **scorpio24v** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:46 pm

T.C. wrote:
MartDude wrote:
scorpio24v wrote: However, I find that the local groups membership is largely filled with evangelists who wear sam browne belts and tut at the mere mention of "Offsiding" and appear smug as they think know what the limit point is, but get confused when I mention what they actually mean is "limit point analysis".

If it prevents them from becoming a statistic, then all well and good, but I do my riding solo.
Isn't that verging on the smug?
Don't you mean arrogant?

Kneescratch, pleased to hear your colleagues enjoyed it and found it worthwhile

Smug and arrogant, two traits in abundance at any Rospa/Iam group night, not to mention sitting in high moral judgement over the rest of the biking fraternity. Not the case of the entire group membership, just a significant minority. I guess it stems from all being volunteers and getting a bit "religious"

Paul Reeve · #32 Post by **Paul Reeve** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:41 pm

Smug and arrogant, two traits in abundance at any Rospa/Iam group night, not to mention sitting in high moral judgement over the rest of the biking fraternity. Not the case of the entire group membership, just a significant minority.

Some groups are undoubtably like that Scorpio, I would like to think that ours differs. Most of our members are normal, down to earth types who's heads aren't too far up their arses

Myself plus 2 others that run the group are Motorcycle Instructors and try to 'push' new licence holders towards our group for the extra, cost effective, training.

The rest of the guys that run the group are members of other IAM/RoSPA Groups - we know the pitfalls and we are very concious of what the members want.

I notice that you are in Essex, you would be made very welcome if you ever change your view of Advanced Bike Groups and came along to one of our Group Nights.

As you rightly say, we are all volunteers and our main concern is improving the safety of bikers through additional training, surely not a bad thing?

Paul Reeve · #33 Post by **Paul Reeve** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:02 pm

I was very fortunate to have been a mate of an Essex police driving instructor, who taught me Advanced techniques far removed from what the local group teach. It was great fun and i learned huge ammounts, much of which I still practice today.

Genuine question Scorpio, what techniques are we as a RoSPA Group possibly missing out on please?

scorpio24v · #34 Post by **scorpio24v** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:29 pm

Sorry I cant answer that as I dont want to appear smug or arrogant, nor do I teach/ coach them. As i have said I was very fortunate, learnt loads. do what I did, befriend an instructor at Essex police driving school and all will be clear.

Thanks for the offer of your group night, but hell will have to freeze over first.

T.C. · #35 Post by **T.C.** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:36 pm

scorpio24v wrote:learnt loads. do what I did, befriend an instructor at Essex police driving school and all will be clear.

So what makes an Essex Instructor better than any other Police qualified instructor? Or do you simply like making personal attacks on people you do not know, have never met or are unlikely to meet?

Aladinsaneuk · #36 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:41 pm

ouch

calm it down folks

we all come from different walks of life and have different paradigms - so live and let live

me - i am happy to learn - anything, from anyone, anywhere

so just chill :)

scorpio24v · #37 Post by **scorpio24v** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:45 pm

T.C. wrote:
scorpio24v wrote:learnt loads. do what I did, befriend an instructor at Essex police driving school and all will be clear.

So what makes an Essex Instructor better than any other Police qualified instructor? Or do you simply like making personal attacks on people you do not know, have never met or are unlikely to meet?

Probably nothing exept Essex was one of the original five set up in 1937 and have continued to have very high standards. Hendons probably almost as good

D-Rider · #38 Post by **D-Rider** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:26 pm

I've an idea.

Those that don't want to associate themselves with advanced rider groups can stay away from advanced rider groups.

Those that are involved with advanced rider groups can enjoy being in advanced rider groups.

The rest of us can decide to join in or not as and when we want - understanding that their intentions are good and aimed at keeping us alive - but recognising that not all advanced rider groups are the same and Sam Brown belts are not always compulsory .... though Mart Dude and Aladinsaneuk might prefer to find a pipe-smoking group ....

In the meantime, give us a break .... please!

Healthy debate is fine but I feel like I'm back in the infant school playground (and apologies to all if it's just me feeling like this).

ligloo · #39 Post by **ligloo** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:37 pm

I still think Scorpio24v is a twat .... is that allowed?

T.C. · #40 Post by **T.C.** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:52 pm

D-Rider wrote:I've an idea.

Those that don't want to associate themselves with advanced rider groups can stay away from advanced rider groups.

Those that are involved with advanced rider groups can enjoy being in advanced rider groups.

The rest of us can decide to join in or not as and when we want - understanding that their intentions are good and aimed at keeping us alive - but recognising that not all advanced rider groups are the same and Sam Brown belts are not always compulsory .... though Mart Dude and Aladinsaneuk might prefer to find a pipe-smoking group ....

In the meantime, give us a break .... please!

Healthy debate is fine but I feel like I'm back in the infant school playground (and apologies to all if it's just me feeling like this).

This is what I don't get though. I did not make this post with the intention of making a "Everyone must do an advanced course" comment, (which I don't think I did

), but simply to indicate what I saw at the group run by Paul and his colleagues, and to say thank you for the hospitality that was extended to me, and if someone was thinking about joining such a group, than they could do a lot worse than join this one.

But then someone jumps on the bandwagon making assumptions that I expect everyone to bow down because of my background, and yet the presentation had absolutely nothing what so ever to do with advanced riding, and then even has the nerve to tell me that I am still serving, he has a friend who is a former instructor who has taught him all there is to know about riding, which he thinks will stir up healthy debate, but has absolutely notjhing to do with the nature of the original post.

I will happily debate the pro's and cons of advanced riding with the next guy, but as far as this individual is concerned, all he has done is get my hackles up talking as if he is better qualified than anyone else, rather than start a new thread and run a proper discussion, as their is some validity in some of the points he made, but to judge every book by its cover ? well I won't tell you my thoughts.

Most members here know my background and qualifications, so I do not feel I need to justify myself, and if I have done anything to upset those members I have met, whether it be that I have said something out of place or made an inappropriate comment, then I will feel that they are better justified to make comment and I will readily tender an apology as opposed to someone who has never met me, is unlikely to meet me and who I have no desire to meet.

So from my point of view, I agree 100% with you D-Rider, the original post was never intended to start a flame war, simply a means of saying thankyou for the hospitality that was extended to me.

Oh, and Scorpio whatever your name is, I am an Essex trained class 1 rider and my instructor course and traffic law course was done at Essex as well

Paul Reeve · #41 Post by **Paul Reeve** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:58 pm

Sorry I cant answer that as I dont want to appear smug or arrogant, nor do I teach/ coach them.

So the secret advanced motorcycle techniques must remain secret then Scorpio? And you are not prepared/able to teach/coach anyone in this secret skill?

Shame

It looks like us mere mortals will never discover the finer arts of Advanced Motorcycling then - or is it all just a nasty whiff?

We will probably never know

#42 Post by **Kwackerz** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:42 pm

I'll lock this particular thread now. the original post achieved its aim of thanking the group.
We could debate / argue / bicker about ROSPA, IAM, BMF, MAG and a whole host of other issues but it seems that as for most things in life nowadays, etiquette just seems to go out the window when one's blood pressure rises.
Those who've been thru past incarnations of RS will know that like autumn follows summer, that a biking summer is followed by the first bicker of autumn. Its seasonal and can manifest itself on any subject and in any manner of vent, but it will come... its virtually guaranteed. Sam and I were waiting for Gio to start one but we've been saved from it this year with it appearing in this thread.

Anyways, Essex, Sussex or just plain Dirty Sex, it dont matter, On RS there's a couple of Sheriffs and this one says this thread is dead.

Cos I have little bloke syndrome, have big Sheriff's badge from the local toystore, and I can.