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#16 Post by T.C. » Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:22 pm

D-Rider wrote:NO I am firmly, completely and utterly opposed to the use of lights unless it is dark - particularly when it is just starting to get dark.

The use of headlights makes it much more difficult for others to judge your speed and it makes it much harder to spot other vulnerable road users - bikers, cyclists and pedestrians. It can also be much harder to spot road furniture and refuges in the road. .... even cars that have not got their lights on can be hard to spot .... yet if you turn your head 90 degrees to look over the fields, the view is still excellent.

It causes laziness in that people only look for lights and also all of those unnecessary lights consume power ... added together how much fuel is being burned unnecessarily?

.... and then there's the evidence ....

Austria introduced a law requiring vehicles to run with their lights on at all times ...... until they scrapped it as it increased the accident rate.

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#17 Post by HisNibbs » Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:48 pm

Another issue is a sycological one. One should allways ride as if they can't see you!

If having your lights on makes you feel that the chances of them seeing you have improved then IMO that in itself is the biggest safety issue.
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#18 Post by Willopotomas » Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:43 pm

Never have and never will use my lights during the day. If you want to hide something in a sunny place (like a desert) surround it by lights facing away from it. If you're out in the evening (or morning for that matter) and have the sun behind you with your head light on, you become invisible. Sun behind you with your light off, a silhouette of a biker type..

I've been pulled over for not having my head light on during the day and was given a lecture by the officious copper wagging his finger at me. I let him have his 5 minutes. I then told him the same as above and that daytime running lights are as much danger to traffic as they would be to not use them at night. I told him to either book me for some made up offence or let me go.. He started again about blah blah blah. I got back on me bike and left him there with a high blood pressure in the end.. Twat.

I don't want to give other road users a target.. I'm quite happy for them to think im not there as it makes my life easier. I can predict pretty well what most road users are about to do by the way they move and where they're looking. A sort of sixth 'biker sense'..lol.. Only one major accident in the 10 years i've been on the roads.. and that was down to a foreigner jumping a red light! So cant be doing it all wrong eh. :smt002
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#19 Post by AJFalco » Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:04 pm

Some very valid points so far, still not convinced lights are a "bad" idea in the day though.

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#20 Post by Falcopops » Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:39 am

I always ride with my lights on. AFAIK in Oz like the USA there is no off switch (I imported mine from the UK so I have the option).

I always rode with my lights on in the UK too.

I reckon that the times when lights are ineffective are likely to be much fewer than times they are effective.

I appreciate that there is some evidence to the contrary in this thread given the Austrian example, but I know what I prefer.

I initially deleted this bit, but have decided to chuck it in for debate/devilment.

The Austrian example might not be relevant as Andy's post states vehicles not motorcycles. Also there are often many more reasons behind changes at government level than those cited.

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#21 Post by HowardQ » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:48 pm

For me, whilst in the car, the bikes with headlights are seen in your rear mirror much sooner when you have a queue of traffic behind and there is a bike coming down the queue, so you are looking for him and expecting an overtake, giving him room if you can.
The times when they start to get lost is around dusk when cars all start putting headlights on, then the bike is just another headlight and you are less likely to appreciate a bike is coming down the queue.
Exactly same applies in front, when you have a long line of cars coming towards you. The bike with the lights on overtaking this queue always stands out and you give them room.
Then again the one coming towards you with the red headlight cover on also stands out, possibly even more, for rather different reasons, (Dickhead).
Then again there is the "loud pipes saves lives argument", which still applies.
You can often hear a bike coming up behing you in queuing traffic before you can see it. Whilst on a bike you can see drivers look in the mirror when they hear you.
In a more light hearted way, on three occasions on my normal journey to work I have been queuing at a roundabout before joining the M1 and heard a Falco well before I could see anything, and absolutely knew it was a Falco, (RED 2001, Scorpions, no idea who it is).
I have commented to the wife each time and said that's a Falco somewhere behind. Her reply is usually how the bloody hell do you know, that, just sounds like a noisey bike in the distance to me. :smt002
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#22 Post by BikerGran » Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:45 pm

We used to do that years ago marshalling on car rallies - standing in a Welsh forest hearing the next car coming, you could tell what the car was from the sound, and often even who the driver was from hearing their 'style' in the gearchanges and cornering!
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#23 Post by rick » Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:18 pm

I ride with my lights on all the time because I have to... all the bikes I've owned (Jap IL4's) do not have a switch for the lights.

I'm assuming the Falco does have a switch then?

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#24 Post by AJFalco » Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:31 pm

Indeed it does :smt004
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#25 Post by FlyingKiwi » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:37 pm

AJFalco wrote:Indeed it does :smt004
Not entirely true!
I believe the early models have an on/off switch.
The later ones, like my 06 registered 04 don't :smt006

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#26 Post by Kwackerz » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:02 pm

I guarantee there's a Mod for that somewhere on the site... there usually is..... :smt003 :smt005
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#27 Post by D-Rider » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:10 pm

Kwackerz wrote:I guarantee there's a Mod for that somewhere on the site... there usually is..... :smt003 :smt005
As well as the very last Falcos not having a light switch, the US ones didn't either.
A number of our 'Merkin cousins on AF1 have upgraded by fitting the european switchgear.
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#28 Post by Gio » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:15 am

AJFalco wrote:
D-Rider wrote:NO I am firmly, completely and utterly opposed to the use of lights unless it is dark - particularly when it is just starting to get dark.

The use of headlights makes it much more difficult for others to judge your speed and it makes it much harder to spot other vulnerable road users - bikers, cyclists and pedestrians. It can also be much harder to spot road furniture and refuges in the road. .... even cars that have not got their lights on can be hard to spot .... yet if you turn your head 90 degrees to look over the fields, the view is still excellent.

It causes laziness in that people only look for lights and also all of those unnecessary lights consume power ... added together how much fuel is being burned unnecessarily?

.... and then there's the evidence ....

Austria introduced a law requiring vehicles to run with their lights on at all times ...... until they scrapped it as it increased the accident rate.

Safety measure - not on your life!
1. Fuel being burned? Vs not getting killed. Are you serious???
2. Austria had all vehicles with lights on - exactly why I suggested yellow ones

Looks like everyone has different reasons to not use lights when it is the easiest way to be seen. Strikes me a crazy to be honest :smt019
I'm with Andy on this, easiest way to be seen is to make a noise not light up.

I only ever use lights when its dark or very dull weather

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#29 Post by AJFalco » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:48 am

On the topic of no light switch, I just hate the fact governments take away the option. I know from experience (other bikes) when its very cold and the battery is not at 100%, having the lights on when trying to start a bike can end up in lots of running up and down the road. Utter stupidity.

I can think for myself thanks EU tossers! :smt097
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#30 Post by fastasfcuk » Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:02 pm

D-Rider wrote:
Kwackerz wrote:I guarantee there's a Mod for that somewhere on the site... there usually is..... :smt003 :smt005
As well as the very last Falcos not having a light switch, the US ones didn't either.
A number of our 'Merkin cousins on AF1 have upgraded by fitting the european switchgear.
um, mines an 05 US model with an on off switch.

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