using a vehicle re taxed but not displaying

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fatboy · #16 Post by **fatboy** » Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:46 pm

Thanks TC, as ever your answer has provided total clarity !

Lazarus, the few days when I may be unable to dislay is, in my case, waiting for payday,last working day of the month.
Yes, it really is like that !

lazarus · #17 Post by **lazarus** » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:44 pm

Apologies fatboy - never occurred to me.

flatlander · #18 Post by **flatlander** » Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:42 pm

Whenever this has been an issue for me I got a warning paid up the tax and backdated it don't know if that still applies

fatboy · #19 Post by **fatboy** » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:34 pm

lazarus wrote:Apologies fatboy - never occurred to me.[/quote

Thanks lazarus, you dont need to apologise for my employer !

flatlander · #20 Post by **flatlander** » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:32 pm

I feel your pain got persecuted at the last place and offered redundancy this one advertised my job then offered me a 3 month trial extension to prove myself when they realised everyone was going on holiday bollocks Ive told them I mnot squid but still they come after me good luck skipper

Falcopops · #21 Post by **Falcopops** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:47 am

many years ago I had a tax disc stolen from my bike in London, so went and got a replacement, which cost me 10% of the original. I wasn't happy, but took it on the chin.

I kept the disc in my wallet and never mounted it on the bike, in fact I didn't mount a disc for around 3 years.

I worked in westminster at the time amongst a lot of the political offices, so there were plenty old bill wandering around, but it was always the traffic wardens that would stick a warning ticket on the bike. Nothing ever eventuated from the warnings. It became a bit of a game fo me, I would take the warning stickers off when I went out for a smoke and managed to collect 3 in one day and 6 in one week.

Eventually I used a colour photocopy on the bike and had the original in my wallet.

BikerGran · #22 Post by **BikerGran** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:55 pm

Falcopops wrote: Eventually I used a colour photocopy on the bike and had the original in my wallet.

I think that could probably get you in more trouble than failing to display............

fatboy · #23 Post by **fatboy** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:13 pm

That would be BIG trouble,crossing the line from civil offence to criminal offence, fraud,evaision of duty blah blah......

#24 Post by **mangocrazy** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:32 pm

fatboy wrote:That would be BIG trouble,crossing the line from civil offence to criminal offence, fraud,evaision of duty blah blah......

How does that work? If you can prove that the duty has been paid (by producing the original tax disc) then surely you're in the clear? Especially now that all this information is available at the press of a few buttons from a central computer...

Surely plod (or traffic warden) would have to prove that you've been trying to evade duty, and that clearly isn't the case.

And stop calling me Shirley...

BikerGran · #25 Post by **BikerGran** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:04 am

No they couldn't do you for evading duty but displaying a coloured photocopy would be fraud - unless clearly marked as a copy, and they could do you for failure to display as well.

D-Rider · #26 Post by **D-Rider** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:21 pm

I guess it depends on the wording of the law.
If it is failure to display the actual physical piece of paper provided by the DVLA then if you don't do that, then you are contravening the requirement if you don't do that.

Otherwise, if you show a photocopy, then you are showing a display of the tax disk - which, of course, shows that the document exists and relates to the vehicle that is showing it.
Probably should be marked as a copy but who knows.

That said it's probably worded that you have to show the actual piece of paper they give you - and what's the point in not doing it anyway?

BikerGran · #27 Post by **BikerGran** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:57 pm

I guess the poiunt is that tax disca are easily stolen from bikes - I had one stolen years ago in Bournemouth.

T.C. · #28 Post by **T.C.** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:34 pm

D-Rider wrote:I guess it depends on the wording of the law.
If it is failure to display the actual physical piece of paper provided by the DVLA then if you don't do that, then you are contravening the requirement if you don't do that.

The regulations do actually apply to the original tax disc.

Bear in mind that the regulations were introduced long before photo copiers let alone colour copiers, and the regs apply to the requirement for the original to be displayed.

It is not so much an issue with a bike because it is accepted that tax disc holders let in water and after a few weeks or months you cannot see or read them anyway, when the regs were introduced they were aimed more at cars than bikes, but in theory it covers all vehicles.

D-Rider · #29 Post by **D-Rider** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:52 pm

T.C. wrote:[
It is not so much an issue with a bike because it is accepted that tax disc holders let in water and after a few weeks or months you cannot see or read them anyway, when the regs were introduced they were aimed more at cars than bikes, but in theory it covers all vehicles.

So ..... take a photocopy .... stick it in the holder ..... chuck it in the bath overnight ..... in the morning it's the same as an original that's been there for a fortnight and nobody will ever be any the wiser!

though TBH I will stick to my original disk.

Actually my son had the one off his bike disappear a year or so ago. Not sure whether it was nicked or just fell off. For all we know it could have been gone for several weeks before he noticed and might have inadvertently been breaking the law for some time.
Bit of a risk unless you specifically check before every ride and then every 30 seconds when parked up .....