Pay rise result !

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blinkey501 · #16 Post by **blinkey501** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:01 am

Result!!!! Well done all involved.

fatboy · #17 Post by **fatboy** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:25 pm

Uglyfatfook wrote:Well done that man, if only Unison could get a result like that for their members, 1% seems to be all that the government think nurses and other public sector workers are worth, insulting when MPs voted themselves another 11% raise this year. Apologies for my venting, and again, well bloody done.

I feel your angerUFF. I may be wrong but I hear that a lot of. public sector (ecluding NHS ) have had the offer upped to 2.1%.
Unite and Unison do work together on a lot of issues but after saying that we switched from Unison to Unite cos Unison were shite and did nothing.
Unite is the biggest union in the UK.
I apologise for the fact that this has taken a massive political leaning, that was not the original intention but if I can help anyone sort thier working life out then that cant be bad...

BikerGran · #18 Post by **BikerGran** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:24 pm

I was a Unison member when I was working, and when I was having some problems with my employers my Unison rep went to a meet with one of the managers and came saying to me "Well WE think......."

Dammit he was supposed to be on MY side!

Uglyfatfook · #19 Post by **Uglyfatfook** » Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:35 am

BikerGran wrote:I was a Unison member when I was working, and when I was having some problems with my employers my Unison rep went to a meet with one of the managers and came saying to me "Well WE think......."

Dammit he was supposed to be on MY side!

That is pretty much how Unison operate in my experience. Over the last 5 years of constant restructures and redundancies the only action Unison have taken was over proposed pension rights changes, but of course they use the same pension scheme so are directly affected. Have been more than useless over my pending redundancy.

fatboy · #20 Post by **fatboy** » Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:07 pm

Well UFF, that seems to sum up my (and my colleauges) experience with Unison hence the switch to Unite.
A union is only any good if it acts in union with its members, its members need to support the union but they wont if they are being sold out. You are paying for a service, if that is not being provided you are being ripped off.
Dont be afraid to ditch the leeches, more than one union out there !
ps apologies for dyslexic spelling

BikerGran · #21 Post by **BikerGran** » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:18 pm

Only one union in my former workplace - i ditchede that rep and went with another one I'd had dealings with in the past, didn't achieve all I wanted but a much better outcome.

MartDude · #22 Post by **MartDude** » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:29 pm

Ahem. . . as a one-time Unison workplace rep . . . . .

But that was a long time ago - '94 - '96. A strange experience, as I was also in local government middle management at the same time; senior management thought I was letting the side down, lower echelons initially didn't trust me. I felt I had to take it on, as my section, with which I'd had a very productive and successful collaborative working relationship for years, was being savaged, and no-one would take up the cudgels on their behalf. I'm not sure how much I really achieved, but most of them kept their jobs. I was greatly helped by the head of my section - we agreed she'd feed me info from senior management, while I used it to spike guns when I could. And it was a very satisfying experience to be able to say what everyone else thought, but daren't, to directors; at one meeting, to discuss 'efficiency savings', I had my director squirming and wriggling and spouting euphemisms for 20 minutes until he admitted that he really meant job losses.

Uglyfatfook · #23 Post by **Uglyfatfook** » Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:43 pm

Nice work Martdude. unfortunately that was 20 years back and things have only gone one way since. No one really gives a toss about the plight of others. Successive governments (including so called "new" labor) have made sure of that by systematically undermining public confidence in pretty much all public services. Back in the day, people cared that nurses were paid poorly, or that firefighters had job security, or police were adequately recruited etc etc. ask anyone now about any public service and there's an almost universal belief that they're all over paid and have massive fringe benefits. It's a shame how gullible (or apathetic) people have become on matters like this. Unions don't stand a chance of succeeding on any major points without some public support.